Business owner asks job applicant to shadow the employee he is replacing and not tell her that he's her replacement: 'She has been there for 11 years.'

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    Would you walk away from a job interview if they asked you to lie to the person you're replacing?

    I'm two interviews into an operations coordinator role at a family owned food distributor. The owner invited me to come in next week and shadow the woman currently doing the job.
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    Then he casually mentioned I should introduce myself as someone from a software company reviewing their processes because she has no idea they're planning to replace her.
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    Apparently she's been there 11 years and they don't want her finding out until they've hired someone.
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    The salary is a pretty big step up from what I'm making now, but something about walking into a workplace and pretending to be somebody else while secretly learning how to take their job feels really wrong.
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    Am I overthinking this or is this the kind of red flag you absolutely don't ignore?
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    drj1485 the biggest red flag to me is asking you to come in and shadow someone before you have a job offer. Shadowing a person they are firing is even weirder.
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    muzna2002 And another red flag is that they are firing someone who has been there for 11 years without much of a notice. You're quite far into the hiring process and the person doesn't know they're being replaced - how will you know they won't do the same to you a short while later?
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    karmaapple3 How do you know they are letting her go without much notice? She might've had bad review after bad review, and just hasn't made the changes she needs to make. As a manager I see this all the time.
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    natnat1919 if they want her to be shadowed that means she's doing a. Good job. You wouldn't ask a new employee to shadow someone who's awful. Agree with take the job, tell her and leave. Sneakiness is disgusting.
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    Automatic Soil9814 Shadowing is work. The company is asking you to do free work.
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    SavageSwordShamazon And when you push back on that and their other treatment, you'll be the one getting shadowed by your replacement! They are showing how they treat their employees.
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    Late_Extent 991 Here's the deal: this ONLY benefits the owner. All you gain from this is -you lie to someone's face AKA you are made a liar - that person will tell the other people in the workspace what you told her, which is a lie when they fire her and put you in the position, EVERYONE will know that you are a LIAR and will never trust you this company will do the exact same thing to you and you can never trust them with anything they say
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    Key_Horse_8632 This!! No-one will willingly want to work with you and this will sabotage you.
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    Reggo91 Telling lies could even be grounds for legal action against her dismissal in some jurisdictions. Apart from the questionable ethics, I would not want to get in any form get involved in this.
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    Iceflowers Are they paying you to shadow her? Here's the issue. This isn't that uncommon - but how they do her is how they're going to do you. Keep that in mind. I wouldn't shadow her unless already hired. Otherwise it's working for free. There's actually quite a few companies that get people to do free work, including projects, for free as part of the interview process who have no intention of hiring anyone.
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    YoshiSan90 I'd pretend to be game, and then tell her and leave.
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    TheUltimateShitTest I did this earlier this year. Did my onboarding, paperwork, videos, etc. They go to take me out to the floor and the hr lady tells me "Btw, the guy you're replacing is still here, and doesn't know he's being replaced. Tell him you are here to 'help streamline operations."" I said ok and went and met the guy. Waited until I knew nobody was paying attention and told him everything. Told him he'd better start looking for a job because they sent me there to replace him in 30 days
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    slatebluegrey I think, if I were interested in the job, I'd shadow her to get a feeling of the situation. She could be a really nice person but she also could be an unhinged nutcase, or an angry abrasive employee. Either way, she's getting the boot. There's nothing the OP can do to stop it. I would be wary and a little uncomfortable lying. But the OP was asked by management to review the processes. So that's partially true. It's just not the whole truth.
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